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BIND through COPR after CentOS

John Thurston
We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the
demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need
to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through
COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which
they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Vicky Risk
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On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


I have been worrying about whether we would see BIND users shift away from CentOS, although I think it is too soon to declare CentOS ‘dead’. 

This might be a good time to remind people that we also publish packages for Debian (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/bind9) and Ubuntu (https://launchpad.net/~isc). We also maintain a Docker image (https://hub.docker.com/r/internetsystemsconsortium/bind9). 

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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Ondřej Surý
I would add that the Debian packages are at:

* 9.11 https://bind.debian.net/bind-esv/
* 9.16 https://bind.debian.net/bind/
* 9.17 https://bind.debian.net/bind-dev/

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On 18. 12. 2020, at 19:24, Victoria Risk <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


I have been worrying about whether we would see BIND users shift away from CentOS, although I think it is too soon to declare CentOS ‘dead’. 

This might be a good time to remind people that we also publish packages for Debian (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/bind9) and Ubuntu (https://launchpad.net/~isc). We also maintain a Docker image (https://hub.docker.com/r/internetsystemsconsortium/bind9). 

Vicky


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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Leroy Tennison
We have been using isc's bind (and dhcp for that matter) which comes with Ubuntu LTS versions and have had good success.  Right now we're on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS but that's about to change since the 16.04 revision goes EOL in April.  I should mention that our implementation isn't terribly sophisticated and not large scale but it has worked.  The only other qualification is that the version which comes with the distribution isn't the latest by any means.


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I would add that the Debian packages are at:


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On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


I have been worrying about whether we would see BIND users shift away from CentOS, although I think it is too soon to declare CentOS ‘dead’. 

This might be a good time to remind people that we also publish packages for Debian (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/bind9) and Ubuntu (https://launchpad.net/~isc). We also maintain a Docker image (https://hub.docker.com/r/internetsystemsconsortium/bind9). 

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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Nicolas Bock
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On Fri, Dec 18 2020, John Thurston wrote:

> We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the
> demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need
> to consider where we will move our applications.
>
> We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through
> COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which
> they have had unqualified success with these same packages?

ISC also offers the bind9 package for Ubuntu [1]. I don't
know if that would satisfy your requirements, but it might
be an option.

Best,

Nick

[1] https://launchpad.net/~isc/+archive/ubuntu/bind
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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Bruce  Johnson
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I’m evaluating Oracle Linux to replace CentOS right now for other uses, which Oracle pinky-swears will always be free (beer and speech); it’s essentially another RHEL clone, with some additional stuff for oracle in the repo. I think it’ll end up replacing our CentOS 8 upgrade of ours. 

Available Packages
Name         : bind
Epoch        : 32
Version      : 9.11.20
Release      : 5.el8
Architecture : src
Size         : 8.1 M
Source       : None
Repository   : ol8_baseos_latest
Summary      : The Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS (Domain Name System) server
License      : MPLv2.0
Description  : BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is an implementation of the DNS
             : (Domain Name System) protocols. BIND includes a DNS server (named),
             : which resolves host names to IP addresses; a resolver library
             : (routines for applications to use when interfacing with DNS); and
             : tools for verifying that the DNS server is operating properly.


On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Leroy Tennison
I should have also mentioned that switching from an rpm world to a deb world (CentOS to Ubuntu) does come with it's learning curve.  Some utilities are different, networking configuration in particular is located in different places, then there's the whole package management system.  Not an enormous change but significant.


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I’m evaluating Oracle Linux to replace CentOS right now for other uses, which Oracle pinky-swears will always be free (beer and speech); it’s essentially another RHEL clone, with some additional stuff for oracle in the repo. I think it’ll end up replacing our CentOS 8 upgrade of ours. 

Available Packages
Name         : bind
Epoch        : 32
Version      : 9.11.20
Release      : 5.el8
Architecture : src
Size         : 8.1 M
Source       : None
Repository   : ol8_baseos_latest
Summary      : The Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS (Domain Name System) server
License      : MPLv2.0
Description  : BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is an implementation of the DNS
             : (Domain Name System) protocols. BIND includes a DNS server (named),
             : which resolves host names to IP addresses; a resolver library
             : (routines for applications to use when interfacing with DNS); and
             : tools for verifying that the DNS server is operating properly.


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On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.

We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?


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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

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Hi there,

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020, Leroy Tennison wrote:

> ... switching from an rpm world to a deb world
> ... Not an enormous change but significant.

Indeed.  I'd suggest that if it's just about BIND, it's easier to grab
the source and build it.  That way you don't ever have to wait for the
package maintainer (not that you'll usually have to wait long), you do
get to make your own decisions, and there'll be fewer nasty surprises.

This has been my routine for more than a decade - I just did it this
evening on our primary.  The secondaries are somebody else's problem.

$ wget https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.11.26/bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
$ tar xzvf bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
$ cd bind-9.11.26/
$ ./configure --enable-ipv6 --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/etc --with-openssl ...
$ make
# make install
# kill $(pidof /usr/local/sbin/named) ; sleep 2 ; /usr/local/sbin/named -u named

I don't think 'apt-get update/upgrade' would have been any quicker.

You might want to check signatures etc., but it is an 'https' download
link.  If you have a lot of machines and no Puppet, you can of course
make your own package in a few minutes.

You'll want to subscribe to the announce@ list.  If there's no CVE, I
usually wait for a couple of days after the announcement...

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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Tom J. Marcoen
Hey all,

Just wondering here, why switching from CentOS to Debian or building BIND from sources? What is wrong with migrating to CentOS Stream? Why would that be so much worse than using Debian?

Regards,
Tom

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 00:25, G.W. Haywood via bind-users <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi there,

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020, Leroy Tennison wrote:

> ... switching from an rpm world to a deb world
> ... Not an enormous change but significant.

Indeed.  I'd suggest that if it's just about BIND, it's easier to grab
the source and build it.  That way you don't ever have to wait for the
package maintainer (not that you'll usually have to wait long), you do
get to make your own decisions, and there'll be fewer nasty surprises.

This has been my routine for more than a decade - I just did it this
evening on our primary.  The secondaries are somebody else's problem.

$ wget https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.11.26/bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
$ tar xzvf bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
$ cd bind-9.11.26/
$ ./configure --enable-ipv6 --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/etc --with-openssl ...
$ make
# make install
# kill $(pidof /usr/local/sbin/named) ; sleep 2 ; /usr/local/sbin/named -u named

I don't think 'apt-get update/upgrade' would have been any quicker.

You might want to check signatures etc., but it is an 'https' download
link.  If you have a lot of machines and no Puppet, you can of course
make your own package in a few minutes.

You'll want to subscribe to the announce@ list.  If there's no CVE, I
usually wait for a couple of days after the announcement...

--

73,
Ged.
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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Mauricio Tavares
On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:35 AM Tom J. Marcoen
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wondering here, why switching from CentOS to Debian or building BIND from sources? What is wrong with migrating to CentOS Stream? Why would that be so much worse than using Debian?
>
      The OP made the choice. The question he posed is what it takes
to make it run on debian.

I am asking not to go over the why because it can become a loaded
question; if you check the threads going on the main centos mailing
list, it is not a pretty sight right now and I would suggest not to
let it spill over here. But that is the best place to look at the
arguments many used to stay or move out of centos. Bring popcorn.

> Regards,
> Tom
>
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 00:25, G.W. Haywood via bind-users <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020, Leroy Tennison wrote:
>>
>> > ... switching from an rpm world to a deb world
>> > ... Not an enormous change but significant.
>>
>> Indeed.  I'd suggest that if it's just about BIND, it's easier to grab
>> the source and build it.  That way you don't ever have to wait for the
>> package maintainer (not that you'll usually have to wait long), you do
>> get to make your own decisions, and there'll be fewer nasty surprises.
>>
>> This has been my routine for more than a decade - I just did it this
>> evening on our primary.  The secondaries are somebody else's problem.
>>
>> $ wget https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.11.26/bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
>> $ tar xzvf bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
>> $ cd bind-9.11.26/
>> $ ./configure --enable-ipv6 --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/etc --with-openssl ...
>> $ make
>> # make install
>> # kill $(pidof /usr/local/sbin/named) ; sleep 2 ; /usr/local/sbin/named -u named
>>
>> I don't think 'apt-get update/upgrade' would have been any quicker.
>>
>> You might want to check signatures etc., but it is an 'https' download
>> link.  If you have a lot of machines and no Puppet, you can of course
>> make your own package in a few minutes.
>>
>> You'll want to subscribe to the announce@ list.  If there's no CVE, I
>> usually wait for a couple of days after the announcement...
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73,
>> Ged.
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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Ondřej Surý
Hear, hear, please stay on topic. And the topic here is BIND 9, not a personal choice of operating system or particular distribution. Particularly, I believe it would be better to avoid discussing CentOS at this particular time.

That said, we at ISC will do the best to support any choice of operating system you’ll as users make.

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> On 19. 12. 2020, at 16:23, Mauricio Tavares <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:35 AM Tom J. Marcoen
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just wondering here, why switching from CentOS to Debian or building BIND from sources? What is wrong with migrating to CentOS Stream? Why would that be so much worse than using Debian?
>>
>      The OP made the choice. The question he posed is what it takes
> to make it run on debian.
>
> I am asking not to go over the why because it can become a loaded
> question; if you check the threads going on the main centos mailing
> list, it is not a pretty sight right now and I would suggest not to
> let it spill over here. But that is the best place to look at the
> arguments many used to stay or move out of centos. Bring popcorn.
>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 00:25, G.W. Haywood via bind-users <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020, Leroy Tennison wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... switching from an rpm world to a deb world
>>>> ... Not an enormous change but significant.
>>>
>>> Indeed.  I'd suggest that if it's just about BIND, it's easier to grab
>>> the source and build it.  That way you don't ever have to wait for the
>>> package maintainer (not that you'll usually have to wait long), you do
>>> get to make your own decisions, and there'll be fewer nasty surprises.
>>>
>>> This has been my routine for more than a decade - I just did it this
>>> evening on our primary.  The secondaries are somebody else's problem.
>>>
>>> $ wget https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.11.26/bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
>>> $ tar xzvf bind-9.11.26.tar.gz
>>> $ cd bind-9.11.26/
>>> $ ./configure --enable-ipv6 --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/etc --with-openssl ...
>>> $ make
>>> # make install
>>> # kill $(pidof /usr/local/sbin/named) ; sleep 2 ; /usr/local/sbin/named -u named
>>>
>>> I don't think 'apt-get update/upgrade' would have been any quicker.
>>>
>>> You might want to check signatures etc., but it is an 'https' download
>>> link.  If you have a lot of machines and no Puppet, you can of course
>>> make your own package in a few minutes.
>>>
>>> You'll want to subscribe to the announce@ list.  If there's no CVE, I
>>> usually wait for a couple of days after the announcement...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ged.
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Re: BIND through COPR after CentOS

Petr Mensik
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Hello Bruce.

Since this version is exactly the same piece what I am working on for
RHEL, what would be advantage of using Oracle Linux for it?

The same version would land to CentOS Stream and into Red Hat Enterprise
Linux later. We try hard to make no regressions on any update. ISC's
maintained tests help us a lot, but we have also bunch of our own tests.
I would like to thank ISC for their great test coverage support, it is
outstanding in my opinion. All tests apply to any version released even
to CentOS Stream, just like for RHEL. The only difference for RHEL would
be, such changes would be parked in our repository for several months
until minor update release.

Anyway, Oracle seems to be only recompilation of package I prepare for
RHEL and then falls to CentOS. Is there any advantage receiving it from
them, where no feedback to actual maintainers can be provided? Would it
make it more stable in any way? I admit I don't understand motivation
for it. It seems more misunderstanding what CentOS 8 Stream is supposed
to be. Can I clarify it somehow?

Best Regards,
Petr

On 12/18/20 8:12 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> I’m evaluating Oracle Linux to replace CentOS right now for other uses, which Oracle pinky-swears will always be free (beer and speech); it’s essentially another RHEL clone, with some additional stuff for oracle in the repo. I think it’ll end up replacing our CentOS 8 upgrade of ours.
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> Name         : bind
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> Version      : 9.11.20
> Release      : 5.el8
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> Size         : 8.1 M
> Source       : None
> Repository   : ol8_baseos_latest
> Summary      : The Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS (Domain Name System) server
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> Description  : BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is an implementation of the DNS
>              : (Domain Name System) protocols. BIND includes a DNS server (named),
>              : which resolves host names to IP addresses; a resolver library
>              : (routines for applications to use when interfacing with DNS); and
>              : tools for verifying that the DNS server is operating properly.
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> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:15 AM, John Thurston <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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> We have been using the ISC COPR packages for BIND on CentOS. With the demise of CentOS, we (along with a few other people on the planet) need to consider where we will move our applications.
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> We have been completely happy with the packages provided by ISC through COPR. Does anyone want to offer up other linux distributions on which they have had unqualified success with these same packages?
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