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Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

Vicky Risk
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This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided really invaluable assistance to many new and experienced users.  I would like to thank all of you who share your time and expertise with random users on the Internet, as well as giving feedback to ISC via this list.

We had some discussion within ISC and there are mixed opinions about the need for and utility of adopting a Code of Conduct (CoC) to ensure that this list remains welcoming, useful and tolerant.  We have considered statements used by other projects, lists and open source communities. We agreed that I would begin by reiterating a statement posted on this list back in 2016, asking for respect and civility, to see what people think of that as a code of conduct for this list. 

Here it is:

We should like to remind list users that irrespective of the basic
levels of experience or knowledge of some of the posters here, that they
are asking for community help and that advice should be given politely
and with respect shown both towards the original poster and other
contributors to a thread.

The same courtesy and respect is also expected of list members towards
others when discussing more advanced and complex topics.  Please
remember that:

- English is not the first language for all - this can lead to
misunderstandings

- Beginners don't always 'get it' from the start (but with gentle
guidance may become the experts of the future and surprise us all)

If you disagree with another poster on a technical matter, please
explain your position clearly, thoughtfully, and with appropriate
support for your viewpoint.

If you believe that you are the target of an insulting or inappropriate
post, please alert the list administrators* rather than retaliating on
the mailing list.

If you have any other concerns about a poster, please bring them to the
attention of the list administrators.

Insulting and derogatory posts will not be tolerated and will result in
future posts from those list members who are posting in this manner
being held for moderation or suspended indefinitely from this community.

Cathy Almond
ISC Support
* contact the list administrators directly by emailing to [hidden email]

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Victoria Risk
Product Manager
Internet Systems Consortium



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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

Tim Daneliuk
On 8/2/19 1:31 PM, Victoria Risk wrote:
> This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided really invaluable assistance

tl;dr  Discuss the topic, not each other

It's tragic this even has to be said ...
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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

Hika van den Hoven
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Hoi Victoria,

It is sad that the obvious must be stated. I fully agree.


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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

Gregory Sloop
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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list That code of conduct is a good starting place, at minimum.

Regardless of how it may be now, it may not always be a great a place - and setting out the expectations and standards expected is a good hedge against future tyrants.

So, I applaud ISC for taking the steps to formally set out the standards they expect on the list. Far better to do it now in "fair" weather then when things are much worse.

And on that note...
I know I've said it before - but I really must take the time to thank the many posters here. I'd name names - but I'm sure I'd miss someone.

I've been on a lot of forums and lists the last 30+ years, and I don't believe I've ever found one that has such great people who show such great knowledge and more importantly, to me at least, such grace and tactfulness and elegance when posting here.

Other lists likemumblefreeradiusmumble have great technical skill present, but are regularly abrasive, and curt. They may offer good technical advice, but do it in such a way that it's not very pleasant.

Other; both illiterate and tyrants or just nice illiterates.

But THIS place, and these posters that we regularly see here are pretty awesome.

The only downside is - I sometimes hesitate to post, since the other great posters are likely to crank out something so awesome, through and full of details I'll probably forget to put in, I'll feel like a worm. :) [But please don't stop on my account!]

So, again - I'm always impressed with the posting tone, and technical quality - both here and on the BIND list.

This is one of those lists I stay a member of simply because it's technically rewarding to read, and reminds me, often, that there ARE still nice people who post on the internet.

Thanks!


This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided really invaluable assistance to many new and experienced users.  I would like to thank all of you who share your time and expertise with random users on the Internet, as well as giving feedback to ISC via this list.

We had some discussion within ISC and there are mixed opinions about the need for and utility of adopting a Code of Conduct (CoC) to ensure that this list remains welcoming, useful and tolerant.  We have considered statements used by other projects, lists and open source communities. We agreed that I would begin by reiterating a statement posted on this list back in 2016, asking for respect and civility, to see what people think of that as a code of conduct for this list.

Here it is:

https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2016-October/097925.html
We should like to remind list users that irrespective of the basic
levels of experience or knowledge of some of the posters here, that they
are asking for community help and that advice should be given politely
and with respect shown both towards the original poster and other
contributors to a thread.

The same courtesy and respect is also expected of list members towards
others when discussing more advanced and complex topics. Please
remember that:

- English is not the first language for all - this can lead to
misunderstandings

- Beginners don't always 'get it' from the start (but with gentle
guidance may become the experts of the future and surprise us all)

If you disagree with another poster on a technical matter, please
explain your position clearly, thoughtfully, and with appropriate
support for your viewpoint.

If you believe that you are the target of an insulting or inappropriate
post, please alert the list administrators* rather than retaliating on
the mailing list.

If you have any other concerns about a poster, please bring them to the
attention of the list administrators.

Insulting and derogatory posts will not be tolerated and will result in
future posts from those list members who are posting in this manner
being held for moderation or suspended indefinitely from this community.

Cathy Almond
ISC Support
* contact the list administrators directly by emailing to
[hidden email]

--------------
Victoria Risk
Product Manager
Internet Systems Consortium
[hidden email]


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