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@lbutlr
I am looking at a config file and seeing:

2017112100 ; serial
1H ; refresh
15 ; retry
1w ; expire
1H ; minimum

Is that 15 15 seconds?

I'm guess ion it should be 15m?

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Re: SOA settings

Lyle Giese
Bind does default to seconds.


However this is not the SOA record.


Lyle

On 02/01/18 18:08, lbutlr wrote:

> I am looking at a config file and seeing:
>
> 2017112100 ; serial
> 1H ; refresh
> 15 ; retry
> 1w ; expire
> 1H ; minimum
>
> Is that 15 15 seconds?
>
> I'm guess ion it should be 15m?
>

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Re: SOA settings

Reindl Harald


Am 02.02.2018 um 01:21 schrieb Lyle:
> Bind does default to seconds.
> However this is not the SOA record.

surely, at least a part of it

@ IN SOA srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net. admin.rhsoft.net. (
                                 2017110901      ; Serial
                                 1800            ; Refresh
                                 600             ; Retry
                                 1814400         ; Expire
                                 900             ; Negative-TTL
);

> On 02/01/18 18:08, lbutlr wrote:
>> I am looking at a config file and seeing:
>>
>> 2017112100 ; serial
>> 1H ; refresh
>> 15 ; retry
>> 1w ; expire
>> 1H ; minimum
>>
>> Is that 15 15 seconds?
>> I'm guess ion it should be 15m?
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Re: [bind-users] Re: SOA settings

Jerry K
dns32 /data/bind 599 # host -t soa rhsoft.net
rhsoft.net has SOA record ns2.thelounge.net. hostmaster.thelounge.net. 2017123001 3600 1800 1814400 3600


dns32 /data/bind 600 # date
Friday 02 February 2018 01:24 CST


this is what I see, from my location, against rhsoft.net .

Jerry



On 02/02/18 00:48, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
>
> Am 02.02.2018 um 01:21 schrieb Lyle:
>> Bind does default to seconds.
>> However this is not the SOA record.
>
> surely, at least a part of it
>
> @ IN SOA srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net. admin.rhsoft.net. (
>                                  2017110901      ; Serial
>                                  1800            ; Refresh
>                                  600             ; Retry
>                                  1814400         ; Expire
>                                  900             ; Negative-TTL
> );
>
>> On 02/01/18 18:08, lbutlr wrote:
>>> I am looking at a config file and seeing:
>>>
>>> 2017112100 ; serial
>>> 1H ; refresh
>>> 15 ; retry
>>> 1w ; expire
>>> 1H ; minimum
>>>
>>> Is that 15 15 seconds?
>>> I'm guess ion it should be 15m?
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Re: [bind-users] Re: SOA settings

Reindl Harald


Am 02.02.2018 um 08:26 schrieb Jerry Kemp:
> dns32 /data/bind 599 # host -t soa rhsoft.net
> rhsoft.net has SOA record ns2.thelounge.net. hostmaster.thelounge.net.
> 2017123001 3600 1800 1814400 3600
>
> dns32 /data/bind 600 # date
> Friday 02 February 2018 01:24 CST
>  
> this is what I see, from my location, against rhsoft.net

and that you see a differnt view as my homenetwork does change what in
the fact that this fields are part of the SOA record and not as
pretended "However this is not the SOA record"

if you feel better the same copy&paste from the public nameservers zonefile

@ IN SOA ns2.thelounge.net. hostmaster.thelounge.net. (
                                 2017123001      ; Serial
                                 3600            ; Refresh
                                 1800            ; Retry
                                 1814400         ; Expire
                                 3600            ; Negative-TTL
);

> On 02/02/18 00:48, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 02.02.2018 um 01:21 schrieb Lyle:
>>> Bind does default to seconds.
>>> However this is not the SOA record.
>>
>> surely, at least a part of it
>>
>> @ IN SOA srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net. admin.rhsoft.net. (
>>                                  2017110901      ; Serial
>>                                  1800            ; Refresh
>>                                  600             ; Retry
>>                                  1814400         ; Expire
>>                                  900             ; Negative-TTL
>> );
>>
>>> On 02/01/18 18:08, lbutlr wrote:
>>>> I am looking at a config file and seeing:
>>>>
>>>> 2017112100 ; serial
>>>> 1H ; refresh
>>>> 15 ; retry
>>>> 1w ; expire
>>>> 1H ; minimum
>>>>
>>>> Is that 15 15 seconds?
>>>> I'm guess ion it should be 15m?

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Re: SOA settings

Warren Kumari
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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:48 AM, Reindl Harald <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Am 02.02.2018 um 01:21 schrieb Lyle:
>>
>> Bind does default to seconds.
>> However this is not the SOA record.
>
>
> surely, at least a part of it
>
> @ IN SOA srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net. admin.rhsoft.net. (
>                                 2017110901      ; Serial
>                                 1800            ; Refresh
>                                 600             ; Retry
>                                 1814400         ; Expire
>                                 900             ; Negative-TTL
> );
>
>

Nope.

https://memegenerator.net/instance/81230988

It is, at best, part of a simplified textural representation of an SOA
record. And I'm not even willing to commit to that...
:-P

W

>> On 02/01/18 18:08, lbutlr wrote:
>>>
>>> I am looking at a config file and seeing:
>>>
>>> 2017112100 ; serial
>>> 1H ; refresh
>>> 15 ; retry
>>> 1w ; expire
>>> 1H ; minimum
>>>
>>> Is that 15 15 seconds?
>>> I'm guess ion it should be 15m?
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Re: SOA settings

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On 2018-02-01 17:21, Lyle wrote:
> Bind does default to seconds.
>
>
> However this is not the SOA record.

Who said it was a SOA record?

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Re: SOA settings

Warren Kumari
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Dave Warren via bind-users
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 2018-02-01 17:21, Lyle wrote:
>>
>> Bind does default to seconds.
>>
>>
>> However this is not the SOA record.
>
>
> Who said it was a SOA record?

Ooghf.

You are right. The OP simply said "a config file", and we've all assumed.

Hopefully Lewis knows / understand that we are just squabbling amongst
ourselves because we've know each other for a long time and this is in
good humor.

Assuming that it *is* an SOA (which is a reasonable assumption at this
point :0) ) yes, that is 15 seconds, and is almost definitely not what
you want.

RIPE has a suggestion (
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-203 ), SWITCH.CH has some
others (https://securityblog.switch.ch/2014/02/06/zone-file-recommendations/)
, Peter Koch (related to the RIPE page :-)) had others:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-koch-dns-soa-values-01

The actual values used are open to tuning, but in the original
posting, you, that was 15 seconds, and was *probably* a typo for 15
minutes. I personally always use seconds in my zonefiles, and avoid
the new fangled hours / weeks / syntax.

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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018, at 11:57, Warren Kumari wrote:
> Hopefully Lewis knows / understand that we are just squabbling amongst
> ourselves because we've know each other for a long time and this is in
> good humor.

Yes indeed :)

> The actual values used are open to tuning, but in the original
> posting, you, that was 15 seconds, and was *probably* a typo for 15
> minutes. I personally always use seconds in my zonefiles, and avoid
> the new fangled hours / weeks / syntax.

I'm the exact other way around, I prefer content to be as human readable as possible, and in my experience most humans work better with smaller numbers including units (especially under stress/pressure).

Each to their own, obviously.

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Re: SOA settings

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On 2/2/18 2:57 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:

> Hopefully Lewis knows / understand that we are just squabbling amongst
> ourselves because we've know each other for a long time and this is in
> good humor.

Wait... who are you guys??!?

Happy Friday!


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Re: SOA settings

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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Dave Warren <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018, at 11:57, Warren Kumari wrote:
>> Hopefully Lewis knows / understand that we are just squabbling amongst
>> ourselves because we've know each other for a long time and this is in
>> good humor.
>
> Yes indeed :)
>
>> The actual values used are open to tuning, but in the original
>> posting, you, that was 15 seconds, and was *probably* a typo for 15
>> minutes. I personally always use seconds in my zonefiles, and avoid
>> the new fangled hours / weeks / syntax.
>
> I'm the exact other way around, I prefer content to be as human readable as possible, and in my experience most humans work better with smaller numbers including units (especially under stress/pressure).

What?! You mean you still think in archaic units like hours and laghu
and days and fortnights and similar?! Weird.... Do you measure length
in alen? Or kyndemil?

I use seconds for *everything* -- when pointy-haired boss types ask if
I'm actually working on a project (instead of, you know, snarking on
mailing lists) I tell them that I've put in "more than 2834 seconds in
the past 2 weeks alone". The arbitrary precision and large number
makes it sound like I've done way more than, you know, less than an
hour.

It only takes a few 2678400 seconds to get into this habit - if you
are having a hard time adjusting, I'd recommend Kris Allen's seminal
work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwYnG2DGbPo   [0] - this is
only the first in a planned series; IIRC, the next one will cover the
number of seconds needed to cook an egg to the desired yolk
consistency, and the following one, for some unknown reason, helps you
remember the gestation period of a muskrat.

>
> Each to their own, obviously.
>

Apparently.
W
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Re: SOA settings

Tim Daneliuk
On 02/02/2018 04:00 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:
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> It only takes a few 2678400 seconds to get into this habit - if you
> are having a hard time adjusting, I'd recommend Kris Allen's seminal
> work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwYnG2DGbPo   
I prefer this - (slightly NFSW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Re: SOA settings

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Speaking of units, University of Chicago Professor Nicholas Metropolis
(who had been one of the original Manhattan Project scientists at Los
Alamos) remarked that the standard lecture period of 50 minutes lasted
approximately 1 Micro-Century.


On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 17:00:10 -0500
Warren Kumari <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Dave Warren <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018, at 11:57, Warren Kumari wrote:
> >> Hopefully Lewis knows / understand that we are just squabbling
> >> amongst ourselves because we've know each other for a long time
> >> and this is in good humor.
> >
> > Yes indeed :)
> >
> >> The actual values used are open to tuning, but in the original
> >> posting, you, that was 15 seconds, and was *probably* a typo for 15
> >> minutes. I personally always use seconds in my zonefiles, and avoid
> >> the new fangled hours / weeks / syntax.
> >
> > I'm the exact other way around, I prefer content to be as human
> > readable as possible, and in my experience most humans work better
> > with smaller numbers including units (especially under
> > stress/pressure).
>
> What?! You mean you still think in archaic units like hours and laghu
> and days and fortnights and similar?! Weird.... Do you measure length
> in alen? Or kyndemil?
>
> I use seconds for *everything* -- when pointy-haired boss types ask if
> I'm actually working on a project (instead of, you know, snarking on
> mailing lists) I tell them that I've put in "more than 2834 seconds in
> the past 2 weeks alone". The arbitrary precision and large number
> makes it sound like I've done way more than, you know, less than an
> hour.
>
> It only takes a few 2678400 seconds to get into this habit - if you
> are having a hard time adjusting, I'd recommend Kris Allen's seminal
> work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwYnG2DGbPo   [0] - this is
> only the first in a planned series; IIRC, the next one will cover the
> number of seconds needed to cook an egg to the desired yolk
> consistency, and the following one, for some unknown reason, helps you
> remember the gestation period of a muskrat.
>
> >
> > Each to their own, obviously.
> >
>
> Apparently.
> W
> P.S: You are welcome for the earworm.
>
>
>
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Re: SOA settings

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Am 02.02.2018 um 18:04 schrieb Warren Kumari:

> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:48 AM, Reindl Harald <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> However this is not the SOA record.
>>
>> surely, at least a part of it
>>
>> @ IN SOA srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net. admin.rhsoft.net. (
>>                                  2017110901      ; Serial
>>                                  1800            ; Refresh
>>                                  600             ; Retry
>>                                  1814400         ; Expire
>>                                  900             ; Negative-TTL
>> );
>>
>>
>
> Nope.
>
> https://memegenerator.net/instance/81230988

WTF - this is the SOA record directly from a zone file - period

> It is, at best, part of a simplified textural representation of an SOA
> record. And I'm not even willing to commit to that...
> :-P

troll somewhere else or just read the subject SOA *settings*
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Re: SOA settings

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On 2 Feb 2018, at 12:57, Warren Kumari [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> ) yes, that is 15 seconds, and is almost definitely not what
> you want.

That's what I figured. I suspect, based on the spacing in the file, someone<1> inadvertently deleted the 'm'.

Thanks all (and yes, that was /PART/ of an SOA record :)

<1> me, almost certainly, but I'll deny it.

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Re: SOA settings

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> Wait... who are you guys??!?

Alan, you're the only one I've actually met.  Are the rest are all Russian
bots?



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Re: SOA settings

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> Wait... who are you guys??!?

Alan, you're the only one I've actually met.  Are the rest are all Russian
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